All the issues have been addressed!

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by Max Shojaie » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:18 pm

We will pay duties but not VAT. It's on the customer. It would be standard Homie with no upgrade. The upgrade prices are as listed on IGG.

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by Max Shojaie » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:18 pm

dionne wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:41 pm
Max, so the bikes that still have to be assembled will have these issues addressed? For example, the new chainring will be installed, the frame protector will be installed and the revised ecu/ controller on the bike before it ships to us? Please confirm. thanks
That's correct.

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by steveting99 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:25 am

Max Shojaie wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:34 am

It's a little faster. You can only recognize if you experienced both. With the torque sensor, the percentage is a variable of the force applied to the pedal.
How much faster is the torque sensor compared to the cadence sensor again? There's a noticeable delay with the cadence sensor as one has to complete a partial pedal before the motor kicks in. The torque sensor should respond in micro seconds. Will the response feel natural as pedaling with one's own legs?

How many assist levels will there be for the torque sensor? Will it be five as per the cadence sensor? Will each assist level be adjustable by the user? At each assist level, what is the percentage of additional torque applied by motor that's proportional to the pedal?

Thanks.
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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by steveting99 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:29 am

Max Shojaie wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:46 pm

Please let me know if you have any other concerns.
Max,

Would you consider a motor cut-off when either / both brake levers are activated as a safety feature on the Nireeka?

This can be implemented in either the old or new motor controller.

Edit: Will the connectors be water proof? What is the IP rating of the connectors?

Thanks.

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by steveting99 » Tue May 21, 2019 6:33 am

Max Shojaie wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:34 am
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You can see the cadence sensor installed on your bike. The torque sensor wiring is exactly the same.

It's a little faster. You can only recognize if you experienced both. With the torque sensor, the percentage is a variable of the force applied to the pedal.
Max,

Please re-consider having the torque sensor installed on one side only - left side in this instance where the cadence sensor is. This will give only a portion of the true torque as the other pedal has not been taken into account as there no torque sensor there.

Having a torque sensor to sense both pedals will give a more complete picture of the true torque applied by the rider. The multiplier of the true torque is what the motor controller should be doing and not guessing based on only a portion of the torque. The sensor pick-up would also be faster responding which helps in fine tuning the response of the overall system so that it's much more natural.

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by rossberg66 » Sun May 26, 2019 5:58 pm

Hi Max,

This is truly a great piece of news (of all the issues being addressed)!
For reference, my order # is 1858, frame # 0243

On one of my add-on orders, #3609, I added the Display & buttons. Then when the color display was released, I went with that one, order 4014. There was not an option at the time for an “upgrade” from the basic display to color, so I had hoped that the accounting would catch the fact that I purchased 2 displays and issue a refund for the B&W display.

Now I see by the excellent news that you have fixed all of the issues, that among them is the inclusion of 4G support. My question is, if there is an extra charge for 4G on the ECU, may I apply that difference in price from the 2 orders mentioned above toward purchasing the 4G capability? I was in my order earlier on Customer Forum, but could not find any option for 4G communication.

I appreciate your hard work and continued attention to these types of details. Please let me know if there is anyone else that I need to contact for help of this nature.

Thank you,
Ross Bergstedt

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by Marian » Wed May 29, 2019 11:00 am

Hi Max,

Your April 26 post is now more than a month ago.
I'm sure you all worked hard in the past weeks to cure all little diseases the bike has.

We are still waiting on a complete update on all the open issues.
I guess I don't have to recall the list.

When will they become available/shippable ?

Thanks in advance.
Best Regards/Marian

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by steveting99 » Thu May 30, 2019 5:37 am

^Marian,

The hole that Nireeka has dug themselves into regarding the delivery/shipment to backers in the EU/USA is taking up all their time and resources.

Until the delivery system is resolved, I'm doubtful you'll hear anything regarding the new motor controller, torque sensor old ECU or new ECU from Max.

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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by steveting99 » Fri May 31, 2019 8:03 am

Max Shojaie wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:46 pm


Torque sensor
In order for having the torque sensor, we needed to have a compatible controller. Our current controller manufacturer, removed this feature because they wanted to fit everything we needed in one tiny box. The reason is our controller is compatible with all the motors at the same time and the reason for that was the "extra wheel" perk. The backers with this perk are able to swap their wheels easily without doing any surgery operation on the bike; only swap the wheels and connect the Higo connector. That's all.

The other problem was, we don't have any hole on the BB cylinder (mounting point) so using a regular torque sensor is not an option and we needed to find a side-wiring one instead. This way, even if you already received your bike, you can install the torque sensor easily.

with this in mind, We will send a controller and a torque sensor for anyone interested in this feature. I personally don't enjoy it, but some people do. :)

Please let me know if you have any other concerns.
Max,

Is there any reason why the Bafang Bottom Bracket (BB) torque sensor (model # PA211.32.ST) couldn't be used? The existing cadence sensor can be removed as the BB torque sensor has cadence as shown in the attached wiring diagram.

The mechanical drawing for Bafang's PA211.32.ST is shown in the attached cross sectional drawing and should be compatible with the existing BB unit that's completely sealed unit. Believe there's a cable pathway between the BB and the motor controller compartment which is located above.

My understanding is that the Bafang PA211.32.ST works by detecting torque on both sides of the pedal or from the front chainring spider. This would give a complete picture of the total torque applied by the rider. This is far more accurate than the suggested side mounted torque sensor that reads partial torque or only one side of the pedal.
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Re: All the issues have been addressed!

Post by Max Shojaie » Fri May 31, 2019 9:34 pm

It is compatible but the only reason is, it's not side wiring and we don't have any hole on the BB mounting point for this middle-wiring model unless the backers want to make that hole themselves!

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